That sounds like a good ideal, to bad MMA officails will DQ you. But then again if it was legal everybody would do it and it be boring as crap

- quoted from steekmoer on 14 May 2008, 11:52:32
I like the 9mm submission style..............I pull out my 9mm and the person submits.......calls me " Sir ".......offers me money and pays for my lunch........LOL!!!

totally like you said its a matter of opinion like what car is the best. me personally i dont find that bjj has better ground work then judo. but thats my opinion and depends on who is teaching it and what techniques they are teaching.

- quoted from traf-quake on 14 May 2008, 04:55:11
dude that's like asking which is the best car in the world....vague question without a definitive answer

see bjj has amazing subs and groundwork but not as much technical throws or takedowns as judo.. whereas judo players aren't as good on the ground as bjj guys...it's how you make the style work for yourself

my mma gym incorporates a mix of traditional japanese jiu jitsu like throws and joint locks with bjj groundwork and wrestling take downs

to the question at hand.

submissions these days i would look at judo, bjj (judo + brazilian wrestling), fusen ryu jujutsu (where the newaza "ground techniques" in judo came from), sambo (judo + russian wrestling), or catch wrestling also called freestyle wrestling (mix of wrestling techs in multiple methods). these days so many systems have mixed its really hard to say anything is better then the next.

make sure you check the history of the systems you are planning on taking and that it suits what you want. bjj isnt the same in every location. same as judo and sambo and catch wrestling. With the times and the teachers things get modified and taught differently. injudo you have differences in japanese, korean, and american. american judo being the most restricted and modified of them. basically, make sure what you are going to learn is worth it. theres a lot of shady people these days. we got a gym by my house that opened up and were boasting teaching bjj when the instructor only had a brown belt in USJA.

DO you thinking trying Brazualian ju jitsu and then fusen ryu jujutsu and learning both of those twocould help you out alot

- quoted from dirty-threads on 15 May 2008, 07:15:32
totally like you said its a matter of opinion like what car is the best. me personally i dont find that bjj has better ground work then judo. but thats my opinion and depends on who is teaching it and what techniques they are teaching.

- quoted from traf-quake on 14 May 2008, 04:55:11
dude that's like asking which is the best car in the world....vague question without a definitive answer

see bjj has amazing subs and groundwork but not as much technical throws or takedowns as judo.. whereas judo players aren't as good on the ground as bjj guys...it's how you make the style work for yourself

my mma gym incorporates a mix of traditional japanese jiu jitsu like throws and joint locks with bjj groundwork and wrestling take downs

to the question at hand.

submissions these days i would look at judo, bjj (judo + brazilian wrestling), fusen ryu jujutsu (where the newaza "ground techniques" in judo came from), sambo (judo + russian wrestling), or catch wrestling also called freestyle wrestling (mix of wrestling techs in multiple methods). these days so many systems have mixed its really hard to say anything is better then the next.

make sure you check the history of the systems you are planning on taking and that it suits what you want. bjj isnt the same in every location. same as judo and sambo and catch wrestling. With the times and the teachers things get modified and taught differently. injudo you have differences in japanese, korean, and american. american judo being the most restricted and modified of them. basically, make sure what you are going to learn is worth it. theres a lot of shady people these days. we got a gym by my house that opened up and were boasting teaching bjj when the instructor only had a brown belt in USJA.

learning anything is helpful. even the bad shit will give you a idea of what is going to happen next from the person. i was always taught learn everything you can and weed out what doesnt work for you. if there are bjj schools by you take it. if theres sambo take it. if theres wrestling take it. but the only fusen school i know ofis in japan out by my uncles pad.

a mass majority of schools in japan got destroyed during the end of the fuedal period.

Out of catch wrestling, bjj, and judo, I like judo the best overall, but BJJ and catch in specific circumstances.

Judo works the mind and spirit better than any other MA, in my opinion. Judo is probably the most physically damaging to train, but the rewards are worth it. A lot of people make comments like "the judo ground game is inferior to BJJ" but I disagree. The ground game is pretty much exactly the same with the only major difference being the goal in the sport aspect of both arts. If a person is looking to learn either art specifically to adjust it into an MMA style then they are the same on the ground for the most part. Judo is better than BJJ in the clinch, hands down.

In judo newaza the goals are to pin or submit within a very short amount of time. These goals lead to tactics like turtling and stalling which don't transfer well to MMA.

BJJ focuses on submissions through patience and timing. This leads to tactics like pulling guard from standing which doesn't transfer well to MMA.

Catch wrestling is probably the best answer to the guard. It also is really easy to pick up if you have strong explosive hips and a healthy back. I get more passes from catch on new opponents than I do from either bjj or judo. Once guys learn my catch passes I rely on typical stack passes and regular stuff like knee-in-butt since they require less energy.

If I were to break down my preference based on ground position it would look like this:

• Top (in) guard: Catch
• Bottom guard: BJJ
• Top mount: BJJ
• Top side control: Judo
• Bottom side control: BJJ
• North/South: Judo
• Bottom North/South: Judo
• Bottom Half Guard: Bravo BJJ (Judo influence)
• Top Half Guard: Judo or BJJ, same focus for both.
• Bottom Spider: BJJ with a whole lot of personal preference (I only include spider because it is a huge part of my offensive guard game)

Ultimately this question is unanswerable in a general sense. -ken